[Total Messages: 8]

FROM Janus Zeal [JanudorZ@aol.com]
HEADER By supporting a campaign such as ISM you'd might as we just be a KKK member
DATE RECEIVED November 6, 1997

The ISM is just another worthless hate organization which relies on email bombing, and threats to try and bring fear to people. Anyone who supports the ISM deserves to be dragged out into the streets and shot. They don't support freedom of expression, but in fact work to destroy it. You are scum like all the other Anti Moonies. Also the fact that 13 people don't like the show means s*** when compared to the fact that there are 5 million US fans and 90 million world wide. If this were an election and 5 million people voted for one person, and 13 said that person sucked, did that mean they didn't win? No. People far more intelligent than you have reviewed Sailor Moon, and it has always scored high. Since you are an unprofessional person with no life your opinions are meaningless. You are just another worthless piece of Anti-Sailor Moon crap. Another damn hypocrite that the world has to deal with. Don't bother replying to this letter, as I cannot accept mail from internet addresses, due to the bombing that Kyle Drake has done against me. If you really want to try and defend your stupidity, then look for one of my other addresses. However since you are an Anti Moonie, you will be far to afraid of people disagreeing with you to even dare try and reply and will most likely just hide from me, like that wus Tarantulus or that panzy Kyle Drake.

Before I actually reply to this crap, I'll give you some background info on the fun-lovin' Janus... he has made numerous attempts to hack into ISM, mail-bomb ISM and annihilate ISM. And I'm a hypocrite? I shouldn't even be replying to this, but I'm gonna vent my anger here instead of shooting someone on the street, as Janus would suggest.

You mentioned in this lengthy message that I had a hand in destroying freedom of speech. Take a good look in the mirror, my friend... if 13 people voted for Dole and the other hundred million for Clinton, does that mean those 13 people have no right to exist? No right to express their opinion? That's what you have to ask yourself. In this message, you have already judged my intelligence based on nothing. That shows what kind of a person you are.

"Since you are an unproffesional person with no life your opinions are meaningless." Did I ever say I was a "professional"? Do I have to be to have an opinion? No and no. I'll readily admit that I don't have much of a life, but you spend a great deal of your time trying to bring down ISM when you could be doing something worthwhile. Conclusion: you don't have a life, either. The pot called the kettle black.

My final suggestion to you, Janus, is to read the last three paragraphs of the main page over and over until you understand. If you still don't get the point, I suggest you quit bugging me and the rest of the ISM... maybe go for a walk, I don't know...

By the way, I have observed your relentless attack on our organization for the past few months. The impression I get from what you have written as well as what you have done is that you are a complete and utter moron. You, too, have a page on the internet expressing an opinion. Have I ever bothered or threatened you? No, I haven't. I didn't agree with it and I don't agree with you, but I left it alone. That, Janus Zeal, is what NORMAL people do.

FROM Janus Zeal [JanudorZ@aol.com]
HEADER Numerous attacks? ha! That shows how stupid you are!
DATE RECEIVED November 7, 1997

I have never hacked the ISM. NEVER. I have not been trying to supress their views. Even though they are a psychotic prejudice group of losers. I went after Kyle Drake because I PERSONALLY DIDN'T LIKE HIM. I never hacked another memeber of the ISM. Kyle Drake treated me poorly for no reason, so I did something against him. Wanna know what that hacking job was? His guest book. All I did was type the guest book name in as the password and I got in. I hadn't even orginally set up to hack him, but he'd been such an ass, that I got him back. You know nothing about me, and have only been feed the exaggerated lies of the ISM. I hate Kyle Drake because he is a terrible person, and since he leads the ISM his views are reflected in it. I never said that ther 13 people don't have a right to exist, but their opinions are worthless when teh whole is assessed. The fraction of the population that they represtent is to insignificant to matter. You are insignificant. 13 people not liking the show and the starting a criminal organization (that is what the ISM is, a criminalization that does hacking, mail bombing and general harassment) is just pathetic. If you don't like something, why can't you form a group that doesn't stand for illegal activities. I treat people as they have treated me, and that's why I have attacked Kyle Drake. If you are too stupid to realize that Kyle Drake is not the entire ISM, then you must lack a brain entirely.

You again? Ugh... alright, I'll humor you one last time. First and foremost, I don't CARE who or what you hacked into. You intentionally committed a criminal act. Don't even TRY to cloud the issue... it's painfully obvious what your intentions are. Now, you're telling me that the ISM is a criminal organization. The ISM does not hack into other people's files. The ISM does not go around flaming people they don't like. You, however, have been known to do these things. The frequency of this activity is unimportant. You are the last person who should be complaining about such a thing as that, and if you were truly harassed by ANYONE, you wholly deserved it.

I know damn well that Kyle Drake isn't the entire ISM. You're sending plenty of mail to me, but all you ever talk about is how bad the organization itself is. I'm not the ISM either, jackass! You should be addressing me, but obviously you are too frightened to do so. Instead, you make random accusations about the organization I am affiliated with. I haven't the time for this.

You seem to be under the impression that because a small number of people have created Anti-Sailor Moon web pages, the group thinks that they have "won". No, we're not that naive. While there are a hell of a lot more than 13 people who don't like Sailor Moon, that doesn't mean each of us believes that we are right and that our opinions will be written in stone somewhere. I never said I was in any way significant. You decided I believed that for yourself. If you want to live in a fantasy world and put words in other people's mouths, you go ahead, but expect to be ignored.

Well, in yet another sorry attempt to insult my intelligence, you conveniently danced around the bulk of my response, which shows that you have no intention of backing up any of your ill-minded opinions of us and our legitimacy.

The way you have painted a picture of yourself as a victim defending yourself against a criminal organization, taking the side of the vast majority to make yourself out to be some kind of hero is quite cowardly, and you're making an ass of yourself in the process. The ISM is actually sticking their neck out for something they believe in, despite what other people will say. All you're doing is being a menace to everyone. Quite a few other ISM members have decided to totally ignore you, and for good reason. This is the path I have chosen in dealing with you. If you still don't understand why, check the news section. This site hasn't even been up for a week, and already I'm sick and tired of your crap. So long, loser.

FROM Lyn J. Malireck [SpriteGirI@aol.com]
HEADER Sailor Moon
DATE RECEIVED November 11, 1997

Have you seen all of the Sailor Moon episodes, or at least do you have a good knowledge of the plot(because I realize that unless you have a good knowledge of the Japanese language it is impossible to see all the eps)? Do you have a good amount of information on the show and ALL the characters? If the answer is no, perhaps you ought to go out and gather more information. You make some good points, but also remember that this show was very badly butchered when it came to U.S, and there is a lot more than what you've seen. A helluva lot more. The "obssessed" people over at SoS are trying to bring the show unbutchered to US (which is not happening, since the TV companies find us Americans to be incredibly immature and closeminded, therefore we cannot handle Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune being lesbian, or Malachite and Zoicite being gay, or the fact that Raye is always slapping Serena, or the blood, or that Reeny comes back and tries to seduce her own father and so on and so forth). The "Sailor Says" was not even a part of the original show, just something OUR American animators added to make it more geared toward the little kiddies. And it's just a 'toon, for chrissakes. It's not even something real, like the Spice Girls (well, they aren't very real, either, but you know what I mean). Since I like to look at both sides of an argument, I'm taking it upon myself to visit all of the Anti SM sites to see if I can find some intelligent, well thought out opinions. Like I said before, you made some excellent points. I've always wondered why the bad guys just didn't kill her while she was transforming, and why she had to say the same stupid things every time. But I still like the show, despite it's weaknesses. You also at least gave a tangible reason for making a page about something you hate, even though I've never understood the concept of devoting an entire site just to something you can't stand, rather than something you admire and enjoy. Guess I'm just dumb. And that's all I've got to say about that. Thanks and have a peachy day.
~Lyn J. Malireck, the First and Not So Great

Thanks for your input, Lyn. Your approach to anti-SM pages is refreshing, especially coming from a Sailor Moon fan. While I haven't seen all the episodes, I feel I have a good understanding of the American version of the show. You're correct about the Japanese version--since I can't understand any of the dialogue, nor do I know how badly butchered the show was for its American debut, the original version could be an entirely different story. This page, as I'm sure you can tell, is more focussed on the Sailor Moon we see on the American and Canadian networks.

Everyone considering dropping me a line should take a quick look at Lyn's letter, as these are the type which tend to be looked upon kindly and respectfully. See the above messages from Janus for a classic example of how not to gain a person's respect or concern.

FROM Fatora [poisoniv@interlinks.net]
HEADER Sailor Moon
DATE RECEIVED November 12, 1997

Hmm... Interesting. Your page is one of the few which is well written, thought out, and expressed in an appropriate manner. I, being a Sailor Moon fan, thought you did a great job. Bravo! As hard as it is to say, I have to agree with you in that Sailor Moon is a crappy show. Repetative, highly predictable, lack of character depth, poor animation (for the beginning of the series anyways--I quite like the animation in the latter half) the writing for the N. American version is not very well done, but for some unexlpicable, unknown reason, I really enjoy the show. Don't know why really... I also like the voice overs iin the N.A. version (probably the only one too!) But even so, if you watch the show later, as in the SM movies and newest episodes, they're quite good. (Well, at least better than the super-crap ones at the very beginning of the series) The untrasnlated ones are utterly hilarious as is the original script.
Anyhoo, this is getting long and I'm sure you're sick of hearing about how i like the show. By the way, have you seen any other type of anime? (That's Japanese animation--cartoons drawn in the same manner as SMoon) It's faboo! My personal favourite is El Hazard. Go see it. It rules.
Au Revoir!
Fatora

PS: That Janis or Junis or whatever, what a moron. He/she has no idea whatsoever of the content of her/his letters. Calling you prejudice? How can you pre-judge Sailor Moon, when you've seen the episodes? I mean, you surely have SOME idea of what you are talking about if you know the characteristics of the characters involved in the show. Geez Louise! I think Janus needs to simmer down and take things less seriously! Relax! It's just a web page expressing an opinion! It's not like you went out and shot somebody. At least you have the maturity and consideration to express you opinion in a civil manner, one that does not involve flaming and violating others' property by sending e-mail bombs. What a disrespectful ho-bag.... I tell ya...

Thanks a lot for the praise. It's nice to see people who are willing to accept the opinions of others. To enjoy a show for no real reason is acceptable behavior (hell, I do it all the time). I'm trying to get through to those people who believe it's the greatest show on god's green earth, because I really don't understand how anyone could truly believe that.

Have I seen other types of anime? Certainly. I enjoy manga such as Akira and Ghost in the Shell; even the occasional episode of Dragon Ball Z. A lot of great things have come out of Japanese animation, but from where I stand, Sailor Moon isn't one of them. Can't say I've seen El Hazard, but I'll be sure to check it out.

As for your comments on Janus, I agree whole-heartedly. What Janus doesn't realise is that the very fan base he is trying to fend for has lost respect for him entirely. The ends simply do not justify the means, though I doubt he will ever achieve whatever ends he was hoping for.

I don't mind people who take the subject seriously, and I welcome their views, but to accuse me of stifling free speech and comparing me to a KKK member is way out of line, not to mention ludicrous. Last I heard, Janus was flaming an ISM guestbook, trying to prove himself more intelligent than anyone in our organization. Tsk, tsk... I think it's high time he grew up and got on with his life. Thanks a lot!

FROM Christian Golden [cdgold@concentric.net]
HEADER Anti-SM site
DATE RECEIVED November 21, 1997

Hello,

While I am a Sailor Moon fan, and a fan of other anime as well, I found your page raised some interesting points and was handled in a tasteful, respectful manner. It seems to be well thought out, and it does draw on actual facts. There are, however, a few things I wish to point out...

Firstly, a good half of your reasons for your dislike of the show are directly attributable to changes in the dubbing versions. (ie., the incredibly lame attempt to make the show educational, otherwise known as Sailor Says; mistranslated garbage; etc.) Although I am quite sure you have heard this a number of times, the Japanese original, subbed, is markedly different than DIC's rather poor attempt at dubbing it. I can understand that your beef is with the Americanized version, since it is the only version most people will see, but I just felt the need to point that out.

The only other thing that I can rag on you about is the fact that you even BOTHERED to respond to Janus's letters. Janus's Machiavellian techniques are disgraceful, and I feel it would be best if he was just ignored; plus the fact that Janus is definately NOT an accurate representation of the fan base of Sailor Moon. Most of us don't spend all of our waking hours on the internet, trying to hack into guestbooks, or writing letters equating people who run Anti-SM pages with the KKK.

Christian Golden

As I have stated before, Christian, I have little knowledge of the original version, so the point you bring up is a good one. I've heard that a few times before, and it is likely I'll hear it many times in the future. Oh well.

I'm glad you (and others) are able to view this project of mine from a mature, respectful standpoint. Come to think of it, I do regret ever responding to Janus' messages. That was definitely a mistake on my part, knowing how he has behaved in the past. I knew from the get-go that he wasn't a very good representative of the SM fan base (or the human race in general), but at least that's over with and I can deal with more civilized people, like yourself.

FROM Castor Troy [PinBall267@aol.com]
HEADER Why create such a pointless campaign?
DATE RECEIVED November 27, 1997

My name is Castor Troy and I would like to say that the creation of the ISM is soooo pointless. There are like a million moonies out there and there are only 10 or 20 of you Sailor Haters. Geez! wern't you guys happy from Sept 96- June 97 when Sailor Moon went off the air? Get over Sailor Moon already! by making this campaign, you will not get anywhere and no one is going to listen to you! except thousands of angry moonies who are going to flood your mailboxes with hate letters and viruses. Why waste time making a such a pointless page? Try making a website on your favorite show or interests. Believe me, Kyle Drake has become one of the most hated people in the world he got what he deserved! Janus did the right thing and showed Kyle that his ISM campaign is worthless. I'm also a good friend of Janus and we will leave you alone but Drake is the start of all this trouble and he should be stopped!
Castor Troy/PinBall267@aol.com

Is your name really Castor Troy? Seems odd that yours would be the same as the fictional terrorist from Face/Off, a popular action flick. Coincidence, I guess.

First off, I didn't create this campaign. Where the hell did you get that idea? I joined it so I would have some backup in case of any attacks that might be brought against me by angry SM fans. The goal of this page is NOT to have Sailor Moon taken off the air. I'm using my right to free speech to express my views about something, which is no more pointless than anything else you see on the web.

Yes, I know we are in the minority here. If I've said it before, I've said it a million times--being outnumbered makes this campaign no less worthwhile. I don't care if there isn't a damn person in the world who agrees with what I am saying, because an opinion, by definition, cannot be deemed right or wrong. Got it?

Uh... didn't I already address the issue of why I made a page about something I don't like? Yes, I think so. Next time you bug me about my page, I suggest you read it first. I also find it rather curious that you would assume I have never made a page about my own interests simply because I am an ISM member.

If you think it was right of Janus to harass Kyle Drake and break the law in doing so, whether it be in senseless rage or retaliation, I'd suggest you go see a psychiatrist.

And for your information, buddy, I have yet to receive viruses or excess flame mail from fans of the show. Do you know why that is? Because most Sailor Moon fans are actually much more mature than you, and they can deal with the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion. The fact that you would dwell on something that you believe to be pointless says a whole lot right there.

FROM Castor Troy [PinBall267@aol.com]
HEADER Ok, but why join Drake?
DATE RECEIVED November 28, 1997

Hi Zawel, it's me Castor Troy again. I never said you started the ISM campaign and I want to add a few things. If you wanted to join an anti-sailor moon club, why not start your own? I want point out a few things- Kyle Drake is a LIAR! Drake puts up fake facts about Sailor Moon such as his sound section. Drake says that "Yo Mammy" sound comes from a drunk coming a Sailor Moon party but that sound clip was from "COPS"! and his Krusty the clown file, it came from that Gabbo episode when Itchy and Scratchy moved to the Gabbo show and Krusty showed an episode from a euorpean cartoon. Ever visit the ISM FAQ? Drake has no facts to back up his answers! Drake even manipulates Sailor Moon pictures, making them look all gruesome! Note that I have notified Geocities to take down Drake's page and you may not see the ISM page anymore. I bet he's going to make a Castor Troy bashing page that I won't care about. Your page isn't that offensive and I don't see your page as a threat. I agree with the Freedom of Speech and you deserve to be spared from the wraths of angry moonies. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is- Don't join with that liar Kyle Drake! you should make your own anti sailormoon club and if you do, I'll leave it alone.

You never said that I created the ISM? That's what the implication seemed to be, judging from the subject line and most of your comments (i.e. "by making this campaign, you will not get anywhere..."), but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

You've got to get your facts straight, Castor. Kyle Drake didn't create the ISM either, Kamen Rider Dragon did. KRD also authored the ISM FAQ. About the sound clips, those were obviously meant to be humorous, not to deceive. I don't really see the point in notifying Geocities of Kyle's page, since it's no longer located there...

Listen, if you think Kyle Drake is a lying piece of crap, that's your opinion and I don't want to hear about it. I didn't join this campaign with him in mind, and I'm really not interested in going to the trouble of creating a new anti-SM group simply because of other members' (apparent) behavior.

FROM Seraph Janus [seraph_janus@hotmail.com]
HEADER At least try reading this, truce possiblities,
DATE RECEIVED November 28, 1997

I have seen in your replies to Castor Troy's letters that you don't want to destroy Sailor Moon. This is why I orginally saw you as just another brainless ISM idiot, I thought that was what you were trying to do. The ISM is the Sailor Moon hate group dedicated to destroying the show, not simply disliking it. This is a horrific, nazi-esque philosophy (though not applied to people in this case, I still find it disturbing). The ISM feels that they can just go and destroy something simply because they don't like it. That is such a selfish, and twisted philosophy. I have no problem with people not liking Sailor Moon, and I have friends who don't. I can respect people who hate Sailor Moon, but when they sink to fan bashing and destroying it because they don't approve, I am truly disgusted. When I saw your name, ISM_RULES, I was immediately disturbed by it. It appeared that you were whole heartedly supporting their campaign to destroy the show, and weren't just someone who didn't like it. Your named glared "DESTROYING EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE RULES!!!" at me, and made you appear as incredibly narrowed minded and ignorant as your leaders. I respect no one who cannot respect the right for things which they do not like to exist. I am sorry if I misjudged you, but it was a reasonable mistake knowing what the ISM stands for. If you truly don't want to destroy Sailor Moon, then I would suggest that you leave the ISM, and join the SMIRC, Toad's Anti-Sailor Moon group which does not want to destroy the show, but is simply a group which hates it. I think that you, Tarantulus, and Toad should work to make this and intelligent, and fair minded alternative to the idiotic destructive, narrow minded organization run by Kyle Drake and a few other completely inept individuals. The SMIRC already includes about 7 other people, one of which I know is more intelligent than Kyle Drake, Luke and Kamen Dragon combined. If you sincerely don't want to destroy Sailor Moon, then this group would be the perfect alternative to the ISM, which was created solely for this purpose.

It's a good thing you sent this through your Hotmail account, because otherwise it would never have seen the light of day. Anyway, now that it's on the table, I guess I might as well respond to it.

To want a show wiped off the face of the earth isn't "horrific" or "Nazi-esque" by my standards. The mission statement itself is very idealistic and naive--they haven't actually destroyed anything to speak of; the whole thing was just a means of rallying support. I really don't see anything immoral about taking legal steps to try and have something taken off the air, and since you can't actually "destroy" a fictional character, I don't see where you're coming from there.

About joining SMIRC... I'm considering it. Once I get all the details on the group, I'll decide whether or not I want to join. Leaving ISM? That's another story. If someone proves to me that ISM members are corrupt, god-awful criminals, I'll definitely leave without looking back... I sincerely doubt that's true, though. I'm pretty sure this is just an ethical disagreement between you and me.

One last thing: I won't delete any more of your mail if you can avoid being hostile or insulting. If I see any more messages like those first ones, forget about it.